DAOC et ses critiques

Par Evildeus le 8/11/2001 à 10:05:00 (#493826)

Je ne sais pas qui dit la vérité.
Si c'est vrai je trouve cela minable de la part de Mythic de faire fermer un site parce que il emet 2/3 critiques (alors que DAOC a été sous les louanges du meme site)
Si c'est une coincidence, c'est malheureux, et le mec de SND aurait mieux fait de se la fermer.
Pour rappel, SND (SlowNewsDay) est le remplacant de LtM (LumtheMad) un site de ranting (cassage en règle). LtM a été embauché par Mythic au service consommateur et est propriétaire des scripts de SND, d'ou une influence certaine de Mythic (au travers de LtM) sur SND...
A vous de vous faire votre propre idéé:

-Eldin le proprio de SND qui a fermer le site:
I have been careful. I have been cautious. I have tried to be fair and impartial. I took my high road. You know what this site got in return? It got Mark Jacobs.

Mark Jacobs has claimed no employee of Mythic will post here.
After all, we've been critical, and we've wondered why this company hired such well-known community figures. One would ask why a company with nothing to hide would ask for that kind of spin control.

Let's be frank, first off.

Do you think, honestly, for a second, that Mythic hired Tweety because she was the best possible woman for CS Representative, or that Lum was the best possible back end programmer for CS?

Absolutely bullshit. There are, I am certain, better, more experienced people for these positions, would these positions be advertised elsewhere. If Tweety is the best chick available for customer service out of everyone in the DC area, anyone who has really read her site where she lambastes companies and players alike in less than respectful or understandable terms, well, call me an idiot. Thinking this woman was an impartial person experienced in CS of any kind of online game was known to be flat out false. What was Tweety but an ex EQ Guide with an eloquent, yet significant complaint against her former employer? Hiring her was a coup in player relations of the worst kind. If you believe she was hired for her player skills and not because of her position, you underestimate Mark Jacobs.

Mythic never gave a [censored] about the players. Don't please head off and read Abashi's posts. In case you aren't up to date with the Mythic attitude and who they admire.

Now that we're beyond that.

Mark Jacobs tried to nail this site in the worst kind of way. Under the old guard, Mark Jacobs was the nice, reasonable guy. He answered questions and gave suggestions. After all, this site was run by his friends. What could he possibly have to fear? This site was about to give him a pass based on personal friendships.

He didn't like it so much when those friendships had passed, and we went back to being objective. Horror of horrors, but we resumed our original position of being suspicious of companies, and looking out for the player. He loathes us for it.

Do you want to know how much he and his company hates us? We'll tell you, though I bet you won't see our front page or boards come the end of the day, since they own it.

Our boards and back end are owned by Lum. While we had permission to use them, we had our problems in code, and that basically made us run to Scott to remedy them. We had done it more than once since he left for Mythic. Not a peep from him in complaint. In fact, for the past few weeks, since Pander banned the world, we've had no problems. You remember the banning of thee world, no? That was the last problem I ran to Scott for, in case you think Im on top of the guy all the time, every minute, for every moment hes at Mythic. While I felt guilty for asking Lum for help, and realized it needed to change in the future, the situation continued. We had no recent problems, and had 3 weeks of relative peace. Thing is, Lum can nuke us in a heartbeat, and has threatened us so, even if we havent run to him with probs

So, my explanation about needing Lum to fix our php? Valid, but full of bullshit. It's been awhile since I've asked him for help. Do you want to know how Lum asked for our back end pulling? One reason and one reason only: A poster called Coke. You must understand Coke to understand how it went down.

Here's a poster that annoyed everyone and lambasted Mythic. However, I felt being contrary wasn't enough to ban the guy. I will never accept the banning of a poster who has contrary opinions to a company. Some said he lied, by implying things about a response Tweety gave to a guild who loathed DAoC. I felt he was just giving his opinion. Thus, I would not allow him to be banned.

Lum, through various parties, heard that we would interview Coke and give him a voice on the front page, even though we had no intention of doing so. (This goes along with ex writers with admin board access telling Mythic exactly what we were saying amongst ourselves).

We had no intention of interviewing Coke. Yes, one writer brought up the possibility, but myself and almost everyone else went Oh, hell no.

Lum messaged me. He said Delete my board accounts. I asked why. He said I cant post or respond to Cokes conspiracy theories, and he knows it.

I panicked. How could I lose the great Lum the Mad?! I was more than ready to ban a poster than to lose the great Lum. So, I was far more receptive to banning that poster, on principle alone. Then SoulFlame, chimed in. If we ban Coke, where do we draw the line? And I agreed. So, I reversed my own decision. I said We cannot ban someone for having it out with a company. We havent banned for disliking a company in the past. We wont do it now.

You know what happened? Lum pulled our front page. He got rid of our software. He told us If you dont agree with me, you cant use a single thing!

Wait, no, he didnt tell us. He just did it. And, right then, one our writers updated. And we thought that writer broke the front page. So, I loaded up a back up. I hit up the FTP, loaded the back up, and figured it was a glitch. I had no idea Lum pulled it all.

I learned later that day, that it was pulled because we refused to ban a user. I learned, hours later, Lum had gotten rid of it all. No one told me. No one warned me. We allowed a poster to criticize Mythic, and our back end was killed without any warning as a result.

I have traveled the high road. As much as I wanted to kill this company and their employee for actions taken against a contrary opinion, I have not done so.

Enough is enough, Mr, Jacobs. Your employee will kill this site for a contrary opinion. I dont expect the front page to be here after today. I dont expect the boards to be there. But this isnt about Lum or his site. This evil is begun by you. You can do it.

And should you kill our front page. Should our boards disappear? Well know you gave the sign. And well know youve done it, no matter how you spin it.

Well be objective. Well criticize your game. But, we dont live in DC. We dont attend your parties. And we certainly wont buy into your plot to hire community leaders. You may have fooled a lot of peeps, and hired people who can spin, but you cannot spin us sir, no matter what your worshippers think of your money.

If you have a beef, you have my phone number. If you dare. I think youd rather kill this site than face me one on one. But, Im always open to personal debate, one on one, man to man. If you and your company dare. Prove me wrong.

I wont hold my breath.

Eldin

Marc Jacobs patron de Mythic
Folks,

As of this morning I signed off participating at SND (formerly Lums site). In my post I also indicated because of personal issues that I feel the man who is running the site has with some Mythic personnel (Scott, Sanya and myself) that the site would not be able to post objective (neutral) criticism or praise regarding Mythic or DAoC. I stated that I was going to ask that Mythic personnel would no longer cooperate with any SND writer nor were we going to post there any longer. Just to make one issue clear before I get to the real reason for this post, I want to see that I could care less what happens to SND. I have never asked Scott to shut it down, take away assets, whatever. Whatever fate has in store for SND it will have earned it on its own. But who knows, maybe I did do something when I was sitting atop of the grassy knoll, dressed in black after my return from Area 51.

So, the real reason for this post is a thank you. Its a thank you to all the folks at the former Lum The Mad site who made it possible. For many months LtM was my first stop in my morning check all the new sites review. While they werent always right and while they werent always fair, the site was a valuable and precious resource to the MMORPG community of developers and players. It was where some cool stories would be broken first, where developers and players of multiple communities could exchange ideas, stories and occasional rotten fruit. It was a place where I felt comfortable posting and talking about things in general as long as doing so violate my rule of not slamming other developers. It was part of my daily routine and I loved it and I miss it already. It was thanks to that site that we were able to find a man who became a very important part of Mythic at a very critical time in the development of DAoC. Without that site we wouldnt have been fortunate enough to discover that Lum (Scott) was also a talented programmer as well as a writer.

Thus, I want to thank Scott for creating the site and making it what it would become. I want to thank some of the talented writers there (Mys, Arcadian, Tick and others) who helped keep the site vibrant and fun. I also want to thank the community there, those who liked us and those who disliked us as well. I loved being a part of it and I will miss it greatly. For those there who supported us I thank you for your efforts and your support and we will not let you down. You havent yet seen the best of Mythic nor of DAoC, things are only going to get better. For those there who criticized us, flamed us or worse, I also extend my thanks. All of that was part of what made LtM what it was for me and for the industry.

I would have posted this there but since I said I wouldnt be back, I could not do so. However, since I know that many people here are also readers of SND and that some of the writers get their information from these boards, I figured it wouldnt take long before this message gets out to SND and to the community there.

Mark

Par Olaf Zarovich le 8/11/2001 à 11:05:00 (#493827)

une bonne ame qui pourrait traduire?

Par Hippias le 8/11/2001 à 11:55:00 (#493828)

petit resume (si j'ai bien compris)

au debut il y avait un site de communauté avec qq admins

Mythic a engage qq'uns des admins, qui ont donc arretes d'etre admins pour etre completement chez Mythic

l'un des auteurs avait autorise le site a utilise ses programmes (boards et page de news)

mais depuis un des posteurs a emis des critiques sur Mythic
il faut savoir que ce site etait reputé pour dire ce qu'ils pensaient, que ce soit des louanges ou des critiques vives

comme le gars qui est parti de chez mythic ne pouvait repondre a ses critiques, il a decide de retirer completement ses billes du site
apres une totale incomprehension de part et d'autres (il croyait qu'ils avaient fait expres) il a retire les boards et la premiere page

le site est donc fermé

le nouvel admin est donc tres mecontent il croit que c'est Mythic qui l'a fait fermé indirectement (y'a aussi une histoire de rachat...)

Marc Jacobs repond qu'il est desole et qu'il n'a jamais demandé a ce que ce site soit ferme
(il fini avec une blague sur les Hommes en noirs qui sortent de la zone 51 (Theorie de la conspiration)) il remercie par ailleurs tous ceux qui ont participes a ce site, sans execptions

si qq'un veut bien traduire, vous comprendrez plus facilement :p
(desole si mes explications sont pas claires :rasta: )

Par Willard FRA le 8/11/2001 à 12:34:00 (#493829)

c pas les pitit hommes noir,c les chinois du F.B.I!!!!

court!!!!!

Par Frere Houba le 8/11/2001 à 13:43:00 (#493830)